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The complexities of the various painting products and application methods can make it difficult for an amateur to understand why scrimping on a paint job is, ultimately, not a wise decision. So, this article has been started in an effort to diminish those complexities. If you are an auto body professional, an experienced hotrodder, or simply someone with good information on the realities of the "Cheapo" paint job, please feel free to add to this article.

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==What's a "cheapo" paint job?==

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===Cheapo application methods===

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====Rattle cans====

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====Brushes and rollers====

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Often referred to as "powder puff" paint jobs, because, historically, hotrodders actually applied paint with powder puffs used to apply makeup.

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These methods typically leave visible marks indicating that a cheapo method of paint application was used.

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However, when viewing photos of paint jobs (in a magazine, on a website, etc.), there is a crucial understanding to keep in mind. The brush or roller marks can be hidden when photographed. This could be done unintentionally, or with "selective" photography methods. Note the two photos below.

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To properly assess a paint job, you need to look at it in person.

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===Discount paint franchises===

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====Maaco====

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While Maaco shops follow corporate Maaco guidelines, they are all independently owned and operated. So, depending on the management, your local Maaco shop may or may not do quality work.

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However, in general, when speaking of Maaco, horror stories abound. ''(Research and expand on this specifically, and give examples and proof)''.

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*Horror story #1:

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I took my car to Maaco to have it painted and once I got it back it had overspray all over a well taken care of engine bay, all over all four of my wheels and tires, paint drips on my rain guards and more! They even painted something I did not ask them to! When asked to fix it they began to do a very poor job right in front of me. I immediately told them to stop and just drove the car home.

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All in all my paint job cost me $600 and it began to flake off one year later. I will never visit a Maaco again.

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====Earl Scheib====

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===Lacquer-based paint===

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====Dupli-Color====

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Dupli-Color is a lacquer paint product being sold by Sherwin Williams. It's marketed to the lower end of the skill and experience spectrum, as an easy-to-apply and inexpensive option for hobbyists.

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Lacquers are the other "family" of paint products (the primary choice being enamels). While lacquer paints used to be commonly used, they have given way to the more modern enamels.

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Lacquers literally "dry" -- the solvent evaporates. For this reason, lacquers will re-dissolve in their original solvent. By comparison, enamels "cure" by chemical reaction. If you apply lacquer thinner to a lacquer paint job, the paint will become a liquid again. Other solvents can have the same effect. Lacquers also have minimal UV protection. Lacquers are also "hot" when applied and often attack existing enamel paints, even well cured factory paint.

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While you can paint over a lacquer paint job, the lacquer would likely be the weak part of the paint job.

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Dupli-Color describes lacquer as "durable", and enamels as "very durable". This is, at best, a generous description, and at odds with what professionals are saying. Marketing aside, lacquer paints are not considered durable.

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A Dupli-Color paint job would likely be fairly easy to apply, and look good when completed. However, it will not have the durability of more modern paint coatings.

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You can't directly price compare a quart of Duplicolor to a quart of say, single stage traditional auto paint. Car paint must be "reduced" (like adding paint thinner) before spraying. At about a 50-50 ratio. Therefore a quart of such paint will make two quarts of usable paint. Duplicolor comes "ready to apply". Therefore we can say that it is only half a quart of paint and half reducer. Therefore you'd have to buy two to seemingly equal a quart of single stage paint. To carry it further, it's a fair estimate that you need around a gallon of paint to paint an average car. Plus a gallon of reducer, of course. Painters have noted that it takes quite a bit more lacquer to provide coverage equivalent to that the more usually used automotive paints. So the equivalent amount of Duplicolor needed may well be as much as sixteen quarts. If you want clear coat also that alters the equation a bit but Duplicolor still tends to come out as not such a bargain as it might first appear.

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===Oil-based machine paint===

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====Rustoleum====

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Rustoleum does not have UV protection. Its use will result in a paint job that will fade, chalk, and peel. Keeping in mind that low end automotive enamel paint is subject to the same problems. And these problems can also be observed on neglected older cars that came from the factory with enamel paint. Key word "neglected". Rustoleum can resist chalking and weathering almost as well as factory enamel paint if taken care of. Many people tend to judge Rustoleum by how it weathers on outdoor equipment and its other more usual applications. But no one buffs and waxes the wrought iron railings on their steps or outdoor oil tanks, so yes the paint tends to suffer.

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Rustoleum frankly can not compare with a "catalyzed" enamel for durability and hardness. Also there are no viable Rustoleum metallic paints for auto painting. Rustoleum enamels also lack the "depth" of color that many other types of paints have, though some people like the look as it compares well with many 1960's factory enamel paint jobs in appearence. The people who seem to be most fond of their Rustoleum paint jobs are those who have a car that was afflicted with very unattractive paint and that they do not intend to keep in the long term.

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Rustoleum has been successfully applied by spraying, rolling, and foam brushing. The last two methods are accompanied by rather a lot of sanding. Decent results can be gotten by all three methods. Rolling and brushing are popular with people who could never spray paint a car because of where they live and/or where they can park the car to work on it. Another plus is that unlike a base coat-clear coat type spray paint job where things must be done within certain time frames, a Rustoleum roll and brush job can be started and stopped at the painter's convenience.

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The last plus to Rustoleum is that it is "cheap" and widely available. If you are considering using it, it is highly recommended that you expend a few dollars on some to experiment with first. Take it home and apply it to something like a lawnmower in the same way you would to your car. Sand it, polish it, wax it, the whole thing. Then study it very closely and decide if this is something you indeed want on your car.

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Professional car painters seem very much against the idea of Rustoleum paint being used to make a car nice enough to get by until the owner can manage a "real" paint job. It does not make a good "base" nor is it easy to remove.

==Why is the "cheapo" paint job so tempting?==

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 The complexities of the various painting products and application methods can make it difficult for an amateur to understand why scrimping on a paint job is, ultimately, not a wise decision. So, this article has been started in an effort to diminish those complexities. If you are an auto body professional, an experienced hotrodder, or simply someone with good information on the realities of the "Cheapo" paint job, please feel free to add to this article.
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+==What's a "cheapo" paint job?==
+===Cheapo application methods===
+====Rattle cans====
+====Brushes and rollers====
+Often referred to as "powder puff" paint jobs, because, historically, hotrodders actually applied paint with powder puffs used to apply makeup.
+These methods typically leave visible marks indicating that a cheapo method of paint application was used.
+However, when viewing photos of paint jobs (in a magazine, on a website, etc.), there is a crucial understanding to keep in mind. The brush or roller marks can be hidden when photographed. This could be done unintentionally, or with "selective" photography methods. Note the two photos below.
+{|
+|-valign="top"
+|[[Image:Cheapo_brush_job1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A brush-applied paint job appears to look good in a photograph.]]
+|[[Image:Cheapo_brush_job2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Another photograph of the same paint job, with different lighting and perspective, reveals clearly visible brush marks.]]
+|}
+To properly assess a paint job, you need to look at it in person.
+===Discount paint franchises===
+====Maaco====
+While Maaco shops follow corporate Maaco guidelines, they are all independently owned and operated. So, depending on the management, your local Maaco shop may or may not do quality work.
+However, in general, when speaking of Maaco, horror stories abound. ''(Research and expand on this specifically, and give examples and proof)''.
+*Horror story #1:
+I took my car to Maaco to have it painted and once I got it back it had overspray all over a well taken care of engine bay, all over all four of my wheels and tires, paint drips on my rain guards and more! They even painted something I did not ask them to! When asked to fix it they began to do a very poor job right in front of me. I immediately told them to stop and just drove the car home.
+All in all my paint job cost me $600 and it began to flake off one year later. I will never visit a Maaco again.
+====Earl Scheib====
+===Lacquer-based paint===
+====Dupli-Color====
+Dupli-Color is a lacquer paint product being sold by Sherwin Williams. It's marketed to the lower end of the skill and experience spectrum, as an easy-to-apply and inexpensive option for hobbyists.
+Lacquers are the other "family" of paint products (the primary choice being enamels). While lacquer paints used to be commonly used, they have given way to the more modern enamels.
+Lacquers literally "dry" -- the solvent evaporates. For this reason, lacquers will re-dissolve in their original solvent. By comparison, enamels "cure" by chemical reaction. If you apply lacquer thinner to a lacquer paint job, the paint will become a liquid again. Other solvents can have the same effect. Lacquers also have minimal UV protection. Lacquers are also "hot" when applied and often attack existing enamel paints, even well cured factory paint.
+While you can paint over a lacquer paint job, the lacquer would likely be the weak part of the paint job.
+Dupli-Color describes lacquer as "durable", and enamels as "very durable". This is, at best, a generous description, and at odds with what professionals are saying. Marketing aside, lacquer paints are not considered durable.
+A Dupli-Color paint job would likely be fairly easy to apply, and look good when completed. However, it will not have the durability of more modern paint coatings.
+You can't directly price compare a quart of Duplicolor to a quart of say, single stage traditional auto paint. Car paint must be "reduced" (like adding paint thinner) before spraying. At about a 50-50 ratio. Therefore a quart of such paint will make two quarts of usable paint. Duplicolor comes "ready to apply". Therefore we can say that it is only half a quart of paint and half reducer. Therefore you'd have to buy two to seemingly equal a quart of single stage paint. To carry it further, it's a fair estimate that you need around a gallon of paint to paint an average car. Plus a gallon of reducer, of course. Painters have noted that it takes quite a bit more lacquer to provide coverage equivalent to that the more usually used automotive paints. So the equivalent amount of Duplicolor needed may well be as much as sixteen quarts. If you want clear coat also that alters the equation a bit but Duplicolor still tends to come out as not such a bargain as it might first appear.
+===Oil-based machine paint===
+====Rustoleum====
+Rustoleum does not have UV protection. Its use will result in a paint job that will fade, chalk, and peel. Keeping in mind that low end automotive enamel paint is subject to the same problems. And these problems can also be observed on neglected older cars that came from the factory with enamel paint. Key word "neglected". Rustoleum can resist chalking and weathering almost as well as factory enamel paint if taken care of. Many people tend to judge Rustoleum by how it weathers on outdoor equipment and its other more usual applications. But no one buffs and waxes the wrought iron railings on their steps or outdoor oil tanks, so yes the paint tends to suffer.
+Rustoleum frankly can not compare with a "catalyzed" enamel for durability and hardness. Also there are no viable Rustoleum metallic paints for auto painting. Rustoleum enamels also lack the "depth" of color that many other types of paints have, though some people like the look as it compares well with many 1960's factory enamel paint jobs in appearence. The people who seem to be most fond of their Rustoleum paint jobs are those who have a car that was afflicted with very unattractive paint and that they do not intend to keep in the long term.
+Rustoleum has been successfully applied by spraying, rolling, and foam brushing. The last two methods are accompanied by rather a lot of sanding. Decent results can be gotten by all three methods. Rolling and brushing are popular with people who could never spray paint a car because of where they live and/or where they can park the car to work on it. Another plus is that unlike a base coat-clear coat type spray paint job where things must be done within certain time frames, a Rustoleum roll and brush job can be started and stopped at the painter's convenience.
+The last plus to Rustoleum is that it is "cheap" and widely available. If you are considering using it, it is highly recommended that you expend a few dollars on some to experiment with first. Take it home and apply it to something like a lawnmower in the same way you would to your car. Sand it, polish it, wax it, the whole thing. Then study it very closely and decide if this is something you indeed want on your car.
+Professional car painters seem very much against the idea of Rustoleum paint being used to make a car nice enough to get by until the owner can manage a "real" paint job. It does not make a good "base" nor is it easy to remove.
 ==Why is the "cheapo" paint job so tempting?==