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| 1968-'76 || 472-500 || align="center" | 115 || align="center" | 40 || align="center" | 90 || align="center" | press fit || align="center" | 60 || align="center" | 30 || align="center" | 35
 
| 1968-'76 || 472-500 || align="center" | 115 || align="center" | 40 || align="center" | 90 || align="center" | press fit || align="center" | 60 || align="center" | 30 || align="center" | 35
 
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==Identification==
 
==Identification==
  
 
===Block casting numbers===
 
===Block casting numbers===
1968-'69 472: 1486238
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*1968-'69 472: 1486238
 
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*1970-'76 472 & 500: 1485200 (1486200 was used on some 1974-'76 500 engines)
1970-'76 472 & 500: 1485200 (1486200 was used on some 1974-'76 500 engines)
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*1977-'79 425: 1609110
 
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*1980-'85 368: 1615255 Carb; 1620734 EFI
1977-'79 425: 1609110
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1980-'85 368: 1615255 Carb; 1620734 EFI
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===Crank casting number===
 
===Crank casting number===
1968-'74 472: 1486424
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*1968-'74 472: 1486424
 
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*1970 500: 1495094
1970 500: 1495094
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*1971-'76 500: 1496793
 
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*1977-'79 425: 1609142R
1971-'76 500: 1496793
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*1980-'85 368: 1609142
 
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1977-'79 425: 1609142R
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1980-'85 368: 1609142
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===Stroke===  
 
===Stroke===  
(Stroke can be measured through spark plug hole if the engine will turn over.)
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Stroke can be measured through spark plug hole if the engine will turn over.
 
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*1968-'74 472, 1977-'79 425, 1980-'85 368: 4.060" (less than 4-1/8")
1968-'74 472, 1977-'79 425, 1980-'85 368: 4.060" (less than 4-1/8")
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*1970-'76 500: 4.300" (more than 4-1/4")
 
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1970-'76 500: 4.300" (more than 4-1/4")
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===Head casting number===  
 
===Head casting number===  
(Usually in the center of the head under the valve cover.)
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Usually in the center of the head under the valve cover.
 
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*1968-'69 472: 1486250
1968-'69 472: 1486250
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*1970 472 & 500: 1495950, 1497902, 1486250
 
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*1971-'73 472 & 500: 1497902
1970 472 & 500: 1495950, 1497902, 1486250
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*1974-'76 472 & 500: 6024493, 6024552
 
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*472 and 500 heads have the last 3 digits of the casting number in a recess under a center intake port, visible from the lifter valley with a mirror.  
1971-'73 472 & 500: 1497902
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*1977-'79 425: 1609112, 1609423 (last 3 usually on driver's front / pass. rear exhaust port)
 
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*1980-'85 368: 1615188, others unknown. The 4-6-8 head is substantially different than the regular head, and the rocker assemblies are not directly interchangeable.
1974-'76 472 & 500: 6024493, 6024552
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472 and 500 heads have the last 3 digits of the casting number in a recess under a center intake port, visible from the lifter valley with a mirror.  
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1977-'79 425: 1609112, 1609423 (last 3 usually on driver's front / pass. rear exhaust port)
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1980-'85 368: 1615188, others unknown. The 4-6-8 head is substantially different than the regular head, and the rocker assemblies are not directly interchangeable.
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A fairly comprehensive 2 page PDF ID guide with pictures (mostly on the 472/500 engines) can be found [http://www.cad500parts.com/tech/EngineIDPages.pdf HERE]. For a quick ID, on the second page there is a box shape shown on the rear of the 1977-later blocks to ID the smaller engines. Distinguishing a 1970-newer 472 from a 500 can only be done by crank number, stroke, or piston design, as all other parts are the same.
 
A fairly comprehensive 2 page PDF ID guide with pictures (mostly on the 472/500 engines) can be found [http://www.cad500parts.com/tech/EngineIDPages.pdf HERE]. For a quick ID, on the second page there is a box shape shown on the rear of the 1977-later blocks to ID the smaller engines. Distinguishing a 1970-newer 472 from a 500 can only be done by crank number, stroke, or piston design, as all other parts are the same.
 
  
 
==Modifications and swapping==
 
==Modifications and swapping==
  
 
===Heads===
 
===Heads===
The biggest gains in power output come with cylinder head work. Pre-1974 heads are small chamber 76 cc's and are good for around 12-13 to 1 compression when a flat top piston is fitted. Race gas, alcohol or propane fuel must be used. The 1974 and later open chamber heads have 120 cc chambers giving compression ratios of 7.5-9 to 1 depending on the piston used. The 1977-'79 425 heads have 108cc chambers giving about 10:1 compression ratio depending on the piston used. The 425 heads have restricted air flow due to their port design making them the least desirable for modification. The head gasket is different as well.  Big gains can be made by adding larger valves. The valve sizes can be boosted to 2.19"/1.84" without worry of hitting the water jackets. The usual porting, valve unshrouding and minor bowl modifications will work, although the short-side radius should be left alone to avoid drastic differences in airflow. Roughly 20 hp can be gained by this work alone and most of that comes from the larger valves.
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The biggest gains in power output come with cylinder head work. Pre-1974 heads are small chamber 76 cc's and are good for around 12-13 to 1 compression when a flat top piston is fitted. Race gas, alcohol or propane fuel must be used.  
  
===Block===
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The 1974 and later open chamber heads have 120 cc chambers giving compression ratios of 7.5-9 to 1 depending on the piston used.  
Blocks should get the standard deburring. A drain hole can be drilled into the rear of the lifter valley for better oil drain back and a spillway can be added to the oval hole at the front of the block to better lubricate the timing chain and the camshaft thrust face. Incidentally, a later block has 1/2 inch oil galleries for increased flow through the block, so it makes a good performance base. If the front cover has [[rust]] pitting from the water pump, it can be saved by [[sandblasting]] and filling the [[Pitted rust|pits]] with JB Weld and then painting. One more thing about blocks, a 472 can be made into a 500 by swapping in the 500 crank and pistons, although on 1968-'69 engines, a slight amount of notching is necessary at the bottom of the cylinder bores.
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===High performance tolerances===
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Big gains can be made by adding larger valves. The valve sizes can be boosted to 2.19"/1.84" without worry of hitting the water jackets. The usual porting, valve unshrouding and minor bowl modifications will work, although the short-side radius should be left alone to avoid drastic differences in airflow. Roughly 20 hp can be gained by this work alone and most of that comes from the larger valves.
  
Crank end-play, minimum- 0.008"
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The 1977-'79 425 heads have 108cc chambers giving about 10:1 compression ratio depending on the piston used. The 425 heads have restricted air flow due to their port design making them the least desirable for modification. The head gasket is different as well.
  
Rod side clearance- 0.035"
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===Block===
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Blocks should get the standard deburring. A drain hole can be drilled into the rear of the lifter valley for better oil drain back and a spillway can be added to the oval hole at the front of the block to better lubricate the timing chain and the camshaft thrust face. Incidentally, later blocks have 1/2 inch oil galleries for increased flow through the block, so it makes a good performance base.  
  
Top ring gap- 0.020"
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A 472 can be made into a 500 by swapping in the 500 crank and pistons, although on 1968-'69 engines, a slight amount of notching is necessary at the bottom of the cylinder bores.
  
Second ring gap- 0.018"
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If the front cover has [[rust]] pitting from the water pump, it can be saved by [[sandblasting]] and filling the [[Pitted rust|pits]] with JB Weld and then painting.
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===High performance tolerances===
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*Crank end-play, minimum- 0.008"
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*Rod side clearance- 0.035"
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*Top ring gap- 0.020"
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*Second ring gap- 0.018"
  
 
===Cam timing/degreeing===
 
===Cam timing/degreeing===
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===TH350===
 
===TH350===
 
 
Some TH350 transmissions came with steel transmission cases in older military tanks and trucks; they would be best for mondo horsepower applications such as 1500+ hp cad engines. It's fairly easy to build a 2000 hp twin turbo Cad with 35 pounds of boost at 7:1 compression on alcohol. It's said the block can take it, but the cast crank might not be able to.
 
Some TH350 transmissions came with steel transmission cases in older military tanks and trucks; they would be best for mondo horsepower applications such as 1500+ hp cad engines. It's fairly easy to build a 2000 hp twin turbo Cad with 35 pounds of boost at 7:1 compression on alcohol. It's said the block can take it, but the cast crank might not be able to.
  
 
===TH400===
 
===TH400===
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The basic 472 and the later 500 engines both use a Buick/Pontiac/Olds/Cadillac (BOPC) bell housing bolt pattern, so a TH400 automatic will bolt right up to the back of the block as long as the proper Cadillac flexplate and torque converter are used.
  
The basic 472 and the later 500 engines both use a Buick/Pontiac/Olds/Cadillac (BOPC) bell housing bolt pattern, so a TH400 automatic will bolt right up to the back of the block as long as the proper Cadillac flexplate and torque converter are used. The TH425 front-drive automatic transaxle also fits these engines as used in the Eldorado, although a special dual-sump oil pan and pickup are used with these transmissions due to the required half shaft clearance. Any RWD engine can be converted to FWD and vice versa if the proper oil pan and pickup are used, although two of the main cap bolts must be removed and swapped for studs with standoffs to mount the pickup bracket. Another good thing about these engines using a TH400 transmission is that a BOPC patterned case can be assembled with the Chevy 4x4 tailshaft and associated hardware for use in an off-road truck. The engine weight is approximately 600 pounds fully dressed and splits the difference between small and big block Chevy, so suspension modifications are not usually necessary. Transfer case choice for a 4x4 should be a NP205, as fitted to some mid/late 1970's Chevy 1 ton trucks. The NP205 is a strong gear-driven transfer case and holds up nicely to the big Caddy's torque output.
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====Front wheel drive====
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The TH425 front-drive automatic transaxle also fits these engines as used in the Eldorado, although a special dual-sump oil pan and pickup are used with these transmissions due to the required half shaft clearance. Any RWD engine can be converted to FWD and vice versa if the proper oil pan and pickup are used, although two of the main cap bolts must be removed and swapped for studs with standoffs to mount the pickup bracket.  
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====4 wheel drive====
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Another good thing about these engines using a TH400 transmission is that a BOPC patterned case can be assembled with the Chevy 4x4 tailshaft and associated hardware for use in an off-road truck. The engine weight is approximately 600 pounds fully dressed and splits the difference between small and big block Chevy, so suspension modifications are not usually necessary. Transfer case choice for a 4x4 should be a NP205, as fitted to some mid/late 1970's Chevy 1 ton trucks. The NP205 is a strong gear-driven transfer case and holds up nicely to the big Caddy's torque output.
  
 
===700R4 / 4L60 / 4L80E===
 
===700R4 / 4L60 / 4L80E===
 
 
The 700R4/4L60/4L80E can be good transmissions to use behind the Cadillac 472 and 500, due to the fact that you can run 4.11 gears and not over rev the engine with the overdriven 4th gear.  
 
The 700R4/4L60/4L80E can be good transmissions to use behind the Cadillac 472 and 500, due to the fact that you can run 4.11 gears and not over rev the engine with the overdriven 4th gear.  
  
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For those who want the strength of a 4L80E without the need for an electrical controller, there is the [http://www.transmissioncenter.net/4L80E.htm Quadzilla] for around $3400.00.   
 
For those who want the strength of a 4L80E without the need for an electrical controller, there is the [http://www.transmissioncenter.net/4L80E.htm Quadzilla] for around $3400.00.   
 
   
 
   
The [http://www.transmissioncenter.org/compushift_4l60e_4l80e.htm Compushift ECM (Electronic Control Module)] for the GM 4L60E/4L80E costs about $1150.00. A less expensive controller is the [http://www.optishift.com/ OptiShift]; cost for it is around $600.00. For about half that amount, the [http://www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/4L60e.html MegaShift™ Transmission Controller] is available. It requires assembly and some knowledge of electrical circuitry, etc.
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The [http://www.transmissioncenter.org/compushift_4l60e_4l80e.htm Compushift ECM] (Electronic Control Module) for the GM 4L60E/4L80E costs about $1150.00. A less expensive controller is the [http://www.optishift.com/ Optishift]; cost for it is around $600.00. For about half that amount, the [http://www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/4L60e.html MegaShift™ Transmission Controller] is available. It requires assembly and some knowledge of electrical circuitry, etc.
  
 
More [https://www.hgmelectronics.com/download/attachments/8913147/Chevy+High+Performance+-+Dec+2011.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1324542463096 overdrive automatic transmission controllers] from ''Chevy High Performance'' December 2011.
 
More [https://www.hgmelectronics.com/download/attachments/8913147/Chevy+High+Performance+-+Dec+2011.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1324542463096 overdrive automatic transmission controllers] from ''Chevy High Performance'' December 2011.
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==Cadillac engine parts sources==
 
==Cadillac engine parts sources==
 
 
*[http://www.cad500parts.com/ Cad Company]
 
*[http://www.cad500parts.com/ Cad Company]
 
*[http://www.500cid.com/ Maximum Torque Specialties]
 
*[http://www.500cid.com/ Maximum Torque Specialties]

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