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| | Want to leave me a message? Just click edit, and type it in below. At the end of your message, please include the following text as your "signature": <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically get converted to your signature, including your name and the date. That's two dashes, followed by four [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde#Tilde_with_keyboards tilde characters]. Thanks! --[[User:Jon|Jon]] 17:33, 10 July 2009 (MDT) | | Want to leave me a message? Just click edit, and type it in below. At the end of your message, please include the following text as your "signature": <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically get converted to your signature, including your name and the date. That's two dashes, followed by four [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde#Tilde_with_keyboards tilde characters]. Thanks! --[[User:Jon|Jon]] 17:33, 10 July 2009 (MDT) |
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| − | Jon ... I have noticed on some edits I make to articles, there seems to be some parts of the articles that disappear without me doing it. Recent edit on "Thermostats Explained" as an example. I removed some words in ALL CAPS. A few days later I notice the listing tags at the bottom of the page had disappeared. The tags that would place the article in "good article" list and the "cooling" tag for that list, both had disappeared.
| + | A page [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=Spark_advance&rcid=27905 Spark advance] was recently added. This is a cut and paste of a widely circulated 'article' that is all over the 'net. As it stands now this page does not have a category specified, so is in limbo. Any suggestions as to what to do w/it?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 18:25, 22 June 2012 (MDT) |
| | + | :I'm leaving it w/o a category. This can be changed if anyone wants.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 05:49, 25 June 2012 (MDT) |
| | + | ::My view is that we should delete these. We don't allow copypasta, unless we can prove that its copyright status is such that we can reproduce it here, or unless the copied text is so small ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis de minimis]) that it doesn't matter.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:10, 25 June 2012 (MDT) |
| | + | :::I'll go ahead and delete it.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 13:25, 25 June 2012 (MDT) |
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| − | This will happen when I am on the Mac Mini with Safari browser. [[User:Crosley|Crosley]] 22:49, 30 September 2011 (MDT)
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| − | :That's strange; if you look under that page's "history" tab, there's [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=Thermostats_Explained&diff=19574&oldid=17324 this edit], which shows you as having fixed the all caps, and deleting the category tags. Browser glitch maybe?--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 22:59, 30 September 2011 (MDT) | + | You may have noticed a large number of recently blocked IPs. I'm sure you are aware that if the Recent changes are viewed using the ''enhanced recent changes'' (in 'my preferences'/''Recent changes''), the list of blocked IPs is compacted into an expandable tab so it doesn't take up a large amount of space. These IPs were found on various article's discussion pages (mainly, some have also been found in the history of the actual article page). The IPs belonged to spammers that had their content removed, but the IPs were not blocked by a previous admin. In some cases this resulted in numerous reposted spam. Because these occurred some time ago, this may be closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, but my thoughts were if I'm there anyway I would block them. Is this unnecessary?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 22:49, 30 June 2012 (MDT) |
| | + | :I wasn't even aware of that option! Maybe it was added with the software upgrade. Agreed on blocking those IPs.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 23:57, 30 June 2012 (MDT) |
| | + | ::Kinda off topic, but I remember asking some time ago about having an expanded view of the Recent changes; I couldn't get the page to respond to changing the options at the top of the page. I found that by going to 'my preferences'/''Watchlist'' I could select 7 days/1000 changes.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 18:58, 1 July 2012 (MDT) |
| | + | :::Interesting, thanks. I need to review all of the preferences.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 12:40, 2 July 2012 (MDT) |
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| − | Jon... that is the edit that caught my eye on the disappearing category tags. I would not remove the tags from an article unless it was an obvious item that needed attention. I went back later and corrected(I thought) the article till I saw cobalt327 added back another category tag
| + | =='Purpose-built fixture for engine stand'== |
| | + | The text and related images have been deleted and Neighbor's user accounts blocked at the request of Neighbors. The text and images were originally located on the [[Transmission holding fixtures]] page and had been removed from there and placed on the discussion page of that article until clarification was presented. |
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| − | I edited an article weeks back (I forget which one)... I then recheck my edits and about 3 paragraphs had disappeared below grammar and spelling corrections I had made.
| + | Discussions preceding these actions are [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Talk:Transmission_holding_fixtures '''here'''].--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 05:15, 5 September 2012 (MDT) |
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| − | Perhaps a glitch in Mac software I guess. I am a tech idiot. [[User:Crosley|Crosley]] 07:26, 1 October 2011 (MDT)
| + | :That's fine. IANAL, but Neighbors's portrayal of copyright law may be incomplete. The wiki is clear, via the text beneath the posting box: ''"If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here.You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!"''. AFAIK, copyright law has limited recognition of "gimme-backsies". Once you release something into the public domain, or the Creative Commons license that we use, (as long as you are legally entitled to license it accordingly in the first place!), it's very difficult to retract (though not technically impossible, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_v._Holder Golan v. Holder]). Not really an issue in this case, but, in the future, if you come across a user who is demanding a ''significant'' deletion, you likely don't need to comply, especially as their contributions may be intermingled with the contributions of other editors, and too difficult to disentangle. In some situations, you may encounter users who, simply out of spite, demand that all of their contributions be deleted. Per their use of the wiki, they will most likely have previously abandoned the right to make that demand.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 21:59, 17 September 2012 (MDT) |
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| | + | ::Thanks for the clarification, Jon. I felt in this particular case that the content that was requested to be removed could be deleted w/o causing any problems w/the continuity of the article as a whole, since it had already been removed from the article itself. That's mainly why I made the decision to delete as requested. For the record, rest assured had this issue been any more involved I would have asked for your advice and guidance in handling it.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 07:38, 18 September 2012 (MDT) |
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| − | Jon, I appreciate your article on keeping your stove bolt in your hotrod! I purchased a 1948 chevy fleetmaster last fall. I drove it home and it is original except the orange paint. It needs some body work but it is not bad at all. I have been strugglin back and forth with keepin the stove bolt 216 or swappin out with a small block. I have wrestled with it because I plan to make this an everyday driver. It was this week infact that I decided I wanted to keep the stove bolt but It needs the babbit bearings replace and I hope to do that this winter. I need advice on how to go about it. I am working out of my garage on my home so this is a shade tree machanic here. No lifts or all the goodies found in a speed shop. I also want to go to double or triple carbs and dual exhaust. I agree this is a cool way to go but my only concern is right now is 55 mph seems to be the max this old girl wants to put out.
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| − | By the way Dewey here from Iowa
| + | Helena has called for any bugs on the Hotrodders forum to be posted so they can be addressed, and so far I have avoided asking much about the CC wiki's problems/fixes. I was wondering at what point should I ask about the wiki, or are you (hopefully) handling this personally?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 07:38, 18 September 2012 (MDT) |
| | + | :Helena has been provided with a list of the Hotrodders.com bugs, and a link to the list of wiki bugs. I think we should get the HR bugs handled first, and then try to prioritize the wiki bugs.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 20:04, 18 September 2012 (MDT) |
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| − | '''Jon..''' Coblat327 did some editing on the main page. The driveshaft link he added does not look correct when I clik on it. I may be incorrect and I am not gonna try any edit myself. [[User:Crosley|Crosley]] 15:10, 29 January 2012 (MST)
| + | :::Spam filter is giving me a rash, again. Moved text to [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Wiki_updates#Spam_filter_bug Wiki updates].--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 21:29, 25 January 2013 (MST) |
| − | :OK, thanks, I fixed it. That link color is for links to pages for which there is no content. When a new category is created, if there's no text on the category page, links to it will show in that color. I added "Driveshaft articles." to that page, so now the link is the correct color.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 15:52, 29 January 2012 (MST) | + | |
| − | ::'''Jon''', I thought when I finished the "Driveshaft measurements" page that it was linking to the new "Driveshaft" category correctly- I added "Category:Driveshaft" inside two brackets to the page to link it to the title page. Did I not do this correctly? I clicked on "Driveshaft" before I logged out and it was showing the "Driveshaft measurements" page then... unless that was due to what you did.
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| − | :::It's tricky with categories. On the wiki, you can create a link to a page by enclosing a word in double brackets. If the page already exists, the bracketed word gets turned into a link to the page, in blue link color, like this: [[Rust]]. If the page '''does not''' already exist, the bracketed word gets turned into a link to a blank page, in red color, like this: [[How to change your blinker fluid]]. You can click on the red link, and start editing a page from there (some people use this method to start a new article). For example, you can click on your username in red text on this page, and start making your user page. Now, when you start a new category, even if you put pages in the category, the category page itself is blank, so the link shows as red. So, you have to add any text to the category page, like: "Driveshaft articles.", and then links to that category will turn blue. However, the category will still work fine, even if it's a red-link. Here's another example of a page with a bunch of red, undeveloped links: [[Quadrajet]].--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:10, 30 January 2012 (MST)
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| − | ==Using this talk page== | + | ==Email notifications of changes== |
| − | BTW- Would it be better to add new responses to this page at the top so it would be the first seen, or continue to add to the bottom, or does this page get refreshed every so often?
| + | If you have chosen to receive them, are you getting email notification when a page on your watchlist or your user talk page is changed? I have selected these options on my [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Special:Preferences Preferences] page but I'm not getting any emails. So I'm wondering if this is something on my end, or what.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 09:21, 19 September 2012 (MDT) |
| | + | :Same problem here. I've added this to [[Wiki updates]].--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 13:01, 19 September 2012 (MDT) |
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| − | And should I even be using this page or is there a preferred way of messaging you other than this page?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 05:09, 30 January 2012 (MST)
| + | ==Recent influx of new "members"== |
| − | :This is the preferred method of messaging me about wiki issues. I get a notification when someone alters my talk page, so it's easy to stay updated.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:03, 30 January 2012 (MST)
| + | Since 11-17-12 there has been a relatively large number of new user accounts created. Googling the various screen names shows many to be randomly joining many different forums. Maybe spambots? If so maybe a character recognition prompt at sign up would help. But in any event, just wanted to let you know that this was happening for whatever reason. |
| | + | :Thanks, I'll look into this. Agreed, probably spambots.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 18:22, 29 November 2012 (MST) |
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| | + | ==Disgruntled street beast owner== |
| | + | Jon, I'll let you deal w/this however you see fit: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:41willys&rcid=32499--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 20:50, 25 January 2013 (MST) |
| | + | :Saw that. Didn't want to even touch it.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 18:39, 26 January 2013 (MST) |
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| − | I created this page- [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Six_cylinder_engine_parts_and_info_sites Six cylinder engine parts and sites]. I then saw a similar page on Chevy engines exists already (I had even contributed to it): [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Chevrolet_and_GMC_Inline_/_Straight_6_Engines:_Guides_and_Resources Chevrolet and GMC Inline / Straight 6 Engines: Guides and Resources]. The websites linked to are now the same in both, even though several have info on engines other than GM. Up to you if the newest page should remain.
| + | The user [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Showbizg&action=edit&redlink=1 here] has been blocked by both user name AND various addresses but continues to come back seemingly at will to spam. What can be done that I'm not doing to get rid of this user?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 14:32, 16 February 2013 (MST) |
| | + | :Very strange. I'll look into this. --[[User:Jon|Jon]] 17:04, 16 February 2013 (MST) |
| | + | ::I think I'm seeing what's happening. It looks like Showbizg was effectively blocked. But other spammers are coming back solely to edit Showbizg's user page. Is that correct? If so, one option might be to just blank that user page, and then protect it.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 02:30, 17 February 2013 (MST) |
| | + | :::Thanks, I'll give it a try.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 11:00, 17 February 2013 (MST) |
| | + | ::::Just had another revision (or whatever) of this user page. The protection log is: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Showbizg&action=protect |
| | + | ::::I have again protected the page (second time). Other details can be seen on the Recent changes page.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 11:11, 1 March 2013 (MST) |
| | + | :::::Third time. It seems protecting the page (at least how I'm doing it) has no effect.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 15:28, 5 March 2013 (MST) |
| | + | ::::::OK, thanks, I just re-created the page, and re-protected it. Let's see if that does it.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 18:01, 5 March 2013 (MST) |
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| − | BTW, why do the two links above appear differently? The second link lacks the arrow icon thingy plus has a space after the link before the period that I didn't put there. Odd...--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 07:06, 1 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | :It looks to me like we should scrap [[Six cylinder engine parts and info sites]]. Regarding links, the arrow indicates an "external" link, that points to an external website. ''However'', in this case, the "external" website is the wiki itself. The reason is that you can link to '''any''' page on the web in a wiki article, just by enclosing the url and the link text in single brackets, like this: | + | Seems we're back to the way it was before edits became so painfully slow to load. I've made note of this on the '''[[Wiki updates]]''' page.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 06:40, 8 April 2013 (MDT) |
| | + | :OK, thanks, I'll look into this.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 12:59, 8 April 2013 (MDT) |
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| − | :<nowiki>[http://www.google.com Google]</nowiki> becomes: [http://www.google.com Google].
| + | ==Huge increase in new user spam== |
| | + | I was concerned this might happen. Fortunately they seem to have one common IP address...--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 19:43, 19 April 2013 (MDT) |
| | + | :Spam continuing. Not from just one or two IPs anymore, they're now coming from many IPs. Blocking the user names and all the IPs is becoming a bit of a problem.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 16:56, 28 April 2013 (MDT). |
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| − | :You can even use this same syntax to link to a wiki page, so this: <nowiki>[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/Rust Rust]</nowiki> becomes this: [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/Rust Rust].
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| − | Sounds OK to me, thanks.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 14:56, 1 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | I would have tried this out on one subject to see what it looked like and how it performed, but I seem to be unable to edit the list of pages in the individual categories like 'Engine', etc.
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| − | --[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 20:45, 18 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | :I would just do it with subcategories. A category can be placed in a category, just like a page. If we have 3 camshaft articles, then that's enough to start a subcategory under Engine. Keep in mind that it's not carved in stone; we can easily adjust and re-categorize as necessary, and as the article base grows. The list of pages in individual categories is created automatically, and isn't normally editable. If you add a page to a category, it will appear in that list. If you add a category to a category, it will appear as a subcategory in that category. So, in this case, just add '''<nowiki>[[Category:Camshaft]]</nowiki>''' at the bottom of one of the camshaft articles. Then, click on the category link for Camshaft at the bottom of the resulting saved page. On ''that'' page, add '''<nowiki>[[Category:Engine]]</nowiki>''' at the bottom.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 21:00, 18 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | ::Will the pages still remain visible in '''<nowiki>[[Category:Engine]]</nowiki>''' even if they are also used in a subcategory?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 22:50, 18 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | ::OK, I see now what happens, and good that the pages are still visible under the Engine category as well as being contained in the subcategory. Thanks for your time.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 22:59, 18 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | Ideally if this were to be done, there would be two or more columns so the entire list could be seen w/o scrolling. I have been unsuccessful finding a way to format it in this fashion- and I spent some considerable time and effort looking into it.
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| − | :I imagine this is possible; but not sure exactly how we'd best accomplish it on this wiki. I'll think about this.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 19:58, 25 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | Jon, Went brain dead, I want to add a PDF file link to an article but can't remember how to do it. I know you sent it to me before but can't find out how to do it. Would you mind refreshing my brain and give me a how-to? Thanks, ED.
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| − | :First, upload it. Then, you can link to it like this: '''<nowiki>[[Media:Filenamehere.pdf]]</nowiki>'''. If you're not sure of the copyright status of the pdf file, you can always just link to it like normal, without having to upload it to the wiki server.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 22:18, 25 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | I tried (unsuccessfully) to redirect an unwanted article title (or to be rid of it by whatever means) in the [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Category:Brakes Brakes] category. The article title I'd like gone (if this is possible) is [[Pressure brake bleeder set-up]]. I'd appreciate any help w/this.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 22:17, 28 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | :OK, I deleted it.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 22:43, 28 February 2012 (MST)
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| − | Noticed the article [[Building a 340 Buick engine]] is listed under “I”, not “B” in the Engines category.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 14:22, 4 March 2012 (MST)
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| − | :Very weird. Looks like a bug relating to the fact that the article's original title ''did'' begin with an "I". Anyway, I deleted it; there was no content there.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 15:09, 4 March 2012 (MST)
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| − | Is there a need for a template, "Needs confirmation", or is it better to add it (without it being a template) in parentheses or brackets at the end of the passage or item in question like has been the practice in the past? I'm talking about a template that would be added right after the sentence or paragraph in question rather than a template that was like <nowiki>{{needspics}}</nowiki> that flags an entire article. I'm sure you've seen this used in the Wikipedia before, like seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Citation_needed here, under Examples]].
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| − | Also, I saw the page 'Most linked-to templates' that has quite a few templates, but is there a complete list available?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 05:30, 5 March 2012 (MST)
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| − | I'm unable to see changes made longer than 13 days ago. This is with having selected "Show last 500 changes in last 30 days", as well as hiding minor changes and hiding my own changes. Do you see the same thing?
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| − | :I see the same thing. My guess is that we're hitting a limit of 500 changes, and that the page refuses to display more.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 10:10, 5 March 2012 (MST)
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| − | Is there a list of templates available, like are used in articles that are "works in progress" (like <nowiki>{{Youcanedit}}</nowiki>, etc.)?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 20:13, 8 March 2012 (MST)
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| − | :All template names are preceded by '''Template:'''. So you can search for '''Template:''' and they'll all come up. You can also make a template if you like. Just start a new article, whose title begins with '''Template:'''. So, if you start a new article titled '''Template:whatever''', and save it, then you can insert that template into an article by typing '''<nowiki>{{whatever}}</nowiki>'''--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 21:48, 8 March 2012 (MST)
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| − | On the left side of all wiki pages there is no listing for Quadrajet carburetors under ''categories'' , the listing for it only appears on the Main Page. Can you correct this?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 09:20, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :Yes, I can correct that easily, that's set manually. Are we sure that we want that category listed there? Those are generally our main categories. If Quadrajet goes there, then there's justification to put various other categories there too--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 10:22, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::If I had it to do over, I'd have subcategorized Q-jet carbs within the Engine category. Or I'd have used Carburetors as the category instead of Quadrajet carburetors. If possible, remove Rochester carburetors from the Main Page categories, and I'll just subcategorize it (could I just remove the Quadrajet carburetors category from the Main Page, along w/the directs to it from the Q-jet pages?).--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :::You should be able to alter the category structure to your liking (and then easily re-alter in the future). I'm not seeing the Quadrajet carburetors category on the main page. Of course there's no perfect categorization paradigm; we'll probably alter and tweak the categories forever. Also, the lower images on the homepage look weird. Almost as if they're smaller images, enlarged.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:24, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::::I had probably already removed Quadrajet carburetors from the categories on the Main Page by the time you looked for it- it was there. I subcategorized Carburetors in the Engine category, then subbed Quadrajet carburetors to Carburetors. Looks OK like that to me. All the carb articles are still in the Engine category excepting the Q-jet articles. If need be I can easily return them all to the Engine category along w/having them subbed, but my thoughts were to keep it as-is for now and see what it "feels" like after a few days.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 12:16, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :::::Sounds good. The category structure on a very active wiki will be constantly in flux.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 14:42, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | As for the lower row of images, strange they look distorted to you. Looks fine on my end, but I'll put them back as they were before. Are the top row of images OK?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 14:22, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :Alright, I think I know what happened. I had made those images a while back specifically for the homepage (not exactly sure why; possibly some formatting issue), and they're only ~112px tall: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/images/4/49/Homethumb2.jpg . When they get stretched beyond that, they start to look strange. Yes, top row looks fine.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 14:40, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | I ran across a bit of spam in [[Freeing a stuck engine]] by user 27.126.152.82. All I did was undo revision 21208 to revert to previous version before I edited the article. Don't know if this gets this user "the boot" or what, but thought I'd mention it.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 02:00, 18 March 2012 (MDT) | + | On a daily basis I have been removing a large amount of spam and blocking the users. I took a short break (approximately 60 hours) from deleting the spam here at the CC wiki, when I came back there were over 200 deletions and an additional 180 users to be blocked that needed to be done. This took several hours. Since I am not in a position to implement any procedures to prevent spam from entering the wiki, I am requesting that something more be done to prevent it as my time is better spent on other pursuits (both here and elsewhere).--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 20:36, 22 November 2013 (MST) |
| − | :Sounds fine. Don't forget there's a difference between a revert (roll back to an exact, historical version), and an undo (undo specific changes). An undo isn't always possible or feasible.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:36, 18 March 2012 (MDT)
| + | :Thanks Cobalt327; I'm going to bring this issue up with Helena, and hopefully we can get some new anti-spam features installed.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:08, 23 November 2013 (MST) |
| − | ::"Undo" wasn't a wiki reference, per se. It was simply what I (thought) I did when I reverted back to a previous version. Make sense?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 19:15, 18 March 2012 (MDT)
| + | ::Even a way to expedite the blocking of users where more than one at a time could be processed would be a big help. Same for deleting pages, although either or both may be impractical if not impossible to do from a programming/software standpoint. Had nearly '''[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:Wiki_12-02-13_deletions_and_blocked_users.jpg 500 deletions and 350 blocked users]''' to process on 12-02-13 after returning from a short break from the wiki- and there's still nearly 14 hours left in the day (EST here).--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 08:34, 2 December 2013 (MST) |
| − | :::Ah, got it, thanks.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 19:38, 18 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==Articles to feature in newsletter and carousels==
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| − | Not as easy as I had first thought. Here are two that might work, but I'll keep looking into this. In the meantime, the first two are relatively recent:
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| − | *[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/1940_Ford_Pickup_recessed_tail_lights 1940 Ford Pickup recessed tail lights]
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| − | *[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Adjusting_hydraulic_lifters Adjusting hydraulic lifters]
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| − | The second pair are good articles IMHO, not that new though:
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| − | *[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Choosing_a_trailer Choosing a trailer] and
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| − | *[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Chrysler_Hemi_engine Chrysler Hemi engine]--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 08:08, 14 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :Here are a few more to consider:
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| − | :*[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Gear_ratio_check Gear ratio check]
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| − | :*[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Metal_shaping Metal shaping]
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| − | :*[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Mopar_tapered_axle_rear_brake_conversion Mopar tapered axle rear brake conversion]
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| − | :*[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Pilot_bearing_and_bushings Pilot bearing and bushings] (still have photos to format)
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| − | :*[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Rust_removal_with_Ospho Rust removal with Ospho]
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| − | :*[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Narrowing_a_rearend Narrowing a rearend]
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| − | :--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 22:08, 18 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::And
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| − | ::*[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/T-350_transmission_rebuild_tech T-350 tranny rebuild tech]--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 14:39, 19 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :::Also
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| − | :::*[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Hot_rodding_the_HEI_distributor Hotrodding the HEI distributor]--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 05:18, 24 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::::I've finished going through the pages in the Best articles category. The above articles are at this time what I'd consider the most eligible. Do you want to continue adding to this as articles are submitted/edited?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 04:07, 27 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :::::Yes, definitely continue adding. I've already featured some of the above, and many of them are older articles. I'm looking for something fresh, with good pics.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 10:21, 27 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::::::[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cylinder_head_identification SBC cylinder head identification] has gotten revisions that include more text, photos and links along w/being moved from ''Cylinder head identification'' to '''''SBC cylinder head identification'''''. While the original page dates from 2009, it was only recently (2-2012) expanded into an actual page. I am open to constructive criticism and/or suggestions on how to improve it so it might be used in the newsletter or a carousel.
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| − | ::::::Same thing for [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Building_an_inline_6_Chevy_250_engine Building an inline 6 Chevy 250 engine]; it too was recently revised into an actual article from a stub dating from 2009. And suggestions are welcomed here, as well.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 09:52, 7 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==File list use guidelines==
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| − | Where can I find guidelines for using files that have been previously uploaded by other members (specifically, images)? So far I've been contacting active members through the Hotrodders forum PM system.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 11:46, 28 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :What specifically are you trying to find out?--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 13:19, 28 March 2012 (MDT) | + | |
| − | ::If permission is needed before using an image and if so how to best go about getting it.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 13:26, 28 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :::I would think you're probably good to go. If an image was uploaded to the wiki, and its copyright status is legitimate, it should be fine to use it in any article (I'm sure you've noticed on Wikipedia how the same images are used in different articles). What's the image?--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 13:41, 28 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::::[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:Sanding-blocks.jpg Sanding blocks], I used it in the buffing article its now linked to. BTW, I already contacted Irelands child for permission, which he gave...--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 13:57, 28 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :::::OK, I think that's fine.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 16:37, 30 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==Suspicious file==
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| − | Ran across this file in my travels...[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:HCG_Drops,_HCG_Weight_loss_4778.jpg Spam?]--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 14:52, 31 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :Yes, thanks, deleted it.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 21:11, 31 March 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==Deleting images==
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| − | I have some images I want to delete (duplicates, a couple that have copyright issues, some that were uploaded w/o proper formatting on my end, etc.). I do not see a way to do this, can you point me to where I can find info on this?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 13:46, 1 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :I believe this requires admin privileges. List the images here and I'll take care of it.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 23:19, 7 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::That's what I was afraid of. Listing them here individually would be something of a miserable chore- there are quite a few and they are spaced throughout the file list. Maybe I could toss them here as I bump into them or something. And I'll see what I can do to possibly streamline listing them. | + | |
| − | ==Using _NOTOC_==
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| − | Does not remove the table of contents when I use it, any idea why that is?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 21:57, 1 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :Try with two underscores on either side of the word.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 23:18, 7 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::I tried to use it just as I typed it above (w/underscores), but it didn't work. I haven't tried it in a while, after I do again I'll post back if still doesn't work. Thanks.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 00:41, 8 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :::Sorry, I should've said "each side", instead of "either side". Try two underscores, followed by NOTOC, followed by two more underscores (four underscores total).--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 02:55, 8 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :::More details here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 02:56, 8 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::::I wasn't able to access that page but I had previously looked into it [[Help:Magic words#Behavior switches|here]]. My mistake was seeing the paired underscores as ONE underscore, not two. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Good thing it doesn't work w/only one per side, else there'd be no TOC on this page (seeing as how I didn't add script to kill the wiki formatting in the title of this segment)!
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| − | ::::Regarding this page getting so much action, I suspect as I get better at all this, I'll pester you less so hopefully there will be less traffic from me as time goes on. But my learning curve hasn't quite flattened out yet; the more I learn the more I realize how little I know, as they say.
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| − | ::::One last item. I'm going to stop replying w/just "thanks", to lessen the traffic and save you a little time. Please know any time you offer assistance, suggestions, or even criticism, I'm always very appreciative of your help and for your time.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 09:50, 8 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :::::Sounds good. I usually omit "Thanks" responses too, especially via email. Regarding the link, it looks like it "broke" because I didn't put a space before the period. Here it is again: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words --[[User:Jon|Jon]] 15:01, 8 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==Cobalt327 Discussion==
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| − | Jon, how much open discussion do you want to have here on the record?
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| − | I feel Cobalt327 is trying exert authority he does not have and never will. My bad
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| − | ===Cobalt327 the HR.com offender?===
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| − | Cobalt treated me so poorly on HR.com and called me the "worse" moderator he had ever seen on any forum. That is part of where my distrust for him comes from.
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| − | Cobalt should have been suspended multiple times for his method of treating members on HR.com, he was not. Cobalt would edit out his inflammatory posts. The 'edit' time limit was shortened by Jon. Who complained the loudest? Cobalt327.
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| − | Why was Cobalt not suspended? The answer given by many involved in the discussion; Because Cobalt327 contributes enough good tech info from internet search engines. . Another answer provided was; coblat327 provides a 'useful service'
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| − | ===Cobalt comes to Crankshaft Wiki===
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| − | After what seemed to be paranoid thoughts , impressions or something on the Crankshaft Wiki (here in referred to as the Wiki)... Cobalt327 joins and proceeds forward. Soon he provides his extensive internet search engine knowledge to the Wiki
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| − | ===Soon Cobalt and Crosley butt heads===
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| − | Primarily on the T-350 Rebuild Tech article. Cobalt altered the T-350 Rebuild thread name. This cancels links Crosley has in place on sites. Cobalt adds incorrect information or fotos. Crosley corrects. Cobalts corrects Crosley edits, Crosley not happy. Cobalt adds non rebuild tech stuff. Crosley removes it. Cobalt 327 not(unknown) happy? Crosley does not care. Cobalt327 may not care either.
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| − | ===Cobalt327 adds signature for Crosley===
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| − | On the the talk page : [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Talk:T-350_rebuild_tech T-350 Rebuild Talk] Cobalt has now added my signature to a location I did not add. '''I concider that a gross personal violation.'''
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| − | ===Cobalt group hug===
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| − | Also on the same [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Talk:T-350_rebuild_tech T-350 Rebuild Talk] page Cobalt posts; '''"There is no need for continued animosity. I again will say that I'm willing to put the past behind us in an effort to maintain a decent working relationship. That's all I can do, the rest is up to you"''' Crosley's answer is : '''Well, of course the worse offender always wants to "put things behind us"''' ;-)
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| − | ===Cobalt points out more mistakes Crosley made===
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| − | Also in the T-350 Talk page: Cobalt posts and links to the "Help " pages on editing Talk discussion. Crosley found this:
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| − | '''Delete discussions when they are out-of-date;Discussions can often get left lying around on a talk page long after the issue is no longer relevant. It's usually a good idea to reply to saying "I think this is now resolved", but sooner or later it's time to just blow away the old discussions (they are of course preserved in the editing history).'''
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| − | Crosley edited out old discussion. Crosley was trying to move on. The article by Jake is so diluted in the current article. Jakes article was a performance build and incomplete. I modified the article to a generic T-350 rebuild. Crosley thought that was the point of a Wiki. A constant update - improvement of the article.
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| − | Crosley added comments on the "talk page" of the T-350 article about Jakes OE article as inspiration for the current Wiki article as suggested by Jon... Cobalt altered the talk page again, the method of the Wiki. LOL
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| − | ===Why keep old fotos when article is updated?===
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| − | I deleted old photos. Why maintain the old photos on server space that someone has to pay $ for ? When does "long enough" apply to maintaining old information?
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| − | ===Cobalt327 reloads fotos===
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| − | I knew cobalt would reload the old fotos. I enjoy providing him the avenue for tasks, I guess. My bad... does that comment 'my bad' , make it all OK? ;-)
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| − | ===Dont delete Cobalt's fotos===
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| − | Coblat327 asks me to not delete any photos he uploaded. I have not to my knowledge. Even the incorrect photos Cobalt placed in the T-350 Rebuild Tech article with powerglide parts shown. I did not delete that foto as I recall. Cobalt327 does not even know what he posts on some articles.
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| − | ===Cobalt and terminology===
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| − | Bell Housing or bellhousing? Rear end or rearend? TH350 or THM 350 or T-350? A fellow I know still calls a T-400 an '''AT-400'''. A term long lost on most folks.
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| − | ===Cobalt repackages internet search info===
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| − | Cobalt327 gathers internet info, repackages it, he becomes a hero. In my eyes cobalt327 is a zero, not to be trusted.
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| − | ===Cobalt327 is NOT a dumb ass===
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| − | With people like Cobalt327 editing Wiki articles, that explains why so many folks do not trust Wiki information. When Crosley jumped on the internet in late 1996 (what little existed) ... Crosley had the foolish idea I could stop or slow down the incorrect information on the web on the subject of automatic transmissions. With people like Cobalt327 that regurgitate any information on all subjects, the cycle will continue forever. Dont mistake my words here for a blanket statement that Cobalt327 is a complete dumb ass, I am sure he is not an unmitigated dumb ass.
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| − | === OH My Gosh ===
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| − | OH, let me apologize to Cobalt327 (LOL) since I am sure I did not type his full user name correctly each time, I did not space correctly, I did not capitalize correctly, I did not link each spot correctly, I did not punctuate correctly, I did not catch all mis-speeled words, I did not 'do things' as others do on other Wiki sites, did I mention extra spaces?, and his OCD will point that out in a longer response with more '''bold text''' than I used since he has to do more at anything than others have before him.
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| − | I figure I forgot a few items, Cobalt327 will correct me. I apologize again if I forgot something. If I do not remember forgetting, does it still count as forgetful?
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| − | ===I add signature before Cobalt does it for me===
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| − | oh hell, I will sign this message before cobalt327 signs it for me. [[User:Crosley|Crosley]] 22:02, 2 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | I added some extra spaces to
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| − | ::To clarify, yes, I want this discussed in the open, as well as any future conflicts between yourselves or among any other wiki editors. I don't yet have a specific resolution to the above conflict, but I will consider how to move forward.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 12:27, 5 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==Regarding signatures==
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| − | From [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures ''Wikipedia:Signatures''], '''When signatures should and should not be used''': Any posts made to the user talk pages, article talk pages and any other discussion pages ''must'' be signed.
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| − | From ''Wikipedia Talk page guidelines'', [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Editing comments|Editing comments]]; '''Attributing unsigned comments''': You are allowed to append attribution (which can be retrieved from the page history) to the end of someone's comment if they have failed to sign it.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 00:36, 3 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==Proposed move of Crosley discussion/commentary==
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| − | Jon, a more appropriate place for this discussion might be [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/User:Cobalt327 HERE]. If you agree let me know or just move it over there yourself. If you think this discussion belongs here on ''your'' talk page, then that’s OK, too.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 02:05, 3 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :Here is fine. As I see it, one or both of you guys are appealing to me for assistance in resolving a conflict. I'm not ignoring this...--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 12:13, 5 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::My opinion on deleting images is [[Talk:T-350 rebuild tech#History|HERE]]. My take on the rest is that it's largely one-sided personal opinions- some of events that occurred long ago. I've found that trying to change someone's perception of events is usually unsuccessful. I have stated my desire to leave the past in the past and move forward from there- twice. At this juncture I'm not inclined to respond further.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 15:51, 5 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==Odd page displayed after saving a page==
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| − | Every time I save a page, I'm getting error message/pages. I'm also being prompted to answer the spam prevention question- even when no external link is being saved. Anyway, the screenshots below is what appears after a save (the saves have been successful even though error messages are displayed). When a file uploaded or an edited page is saved, if the page is refreshed after the error message page comes up, this prompts another file or page save identical to the one just made. That's why there are several identical "File:400steam holes deck.jpg" images and Q-jet rebuild article pages uploaded one after another. Obviously, duplicates can be deleted (I don't seem to be able to do that myself, sorry).--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 18:56, 4 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :Links to screenshots of the error message pages:
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| − | :http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_error_page_after_saving_edited_article.jpg
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| − | :http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_after_file_upload.jpg
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| − | :http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_error_page.jpg
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| − | :--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 08:16, 5 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ::Thanks, I can confirm that I'm seeing these sorts of errors too. Working on it...--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 12:15, 5 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==Talk page additions==
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| − | Jon, can you confirm that you are aware of additions to your talk page that are entered in areas other than at the end of the page (like my recent addition [[User talk:Jon#Articles to feature in newsletter and carousels|above]])? Or should I have added the articles at the end of this page w/a new title? Also, right below the additions are two questions, one about using "_NOTOC_ and one about deleting photos. When you get a chance.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 23:07, 7 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :Yes, I can see those. Sorry for the delay -- my Talk page has never seen this much action! I covered those other two issues. The featured article suggestions are in the proper place.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 23:20, 7 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==Using someone's original info in CC wiki article==
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| − | I plan to start work soon on a page about combustion chamber quench. I was given the go-ahead by oldbogie via PM (on 1-20-12) to use info from various Hotrodders forum posts he made on the subject (as well as my original text). Would you like me to ask him to send you confirmation before I submit the article to the CC wiki (I didn't think to do this at the time)? Also, how long should permission like this be kept? Right now it’s saved in one of my PM folders at the Hotrodders forum (other permission statements are in my email folder) and can remain there for the duration… is that good enough? I may be being overly cautious, but I just want to be sure I’m on solid ground here. Thanks, [[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 16:44, 9 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | :I think you're right to be overly cautious, and we may eventually need some sort of formal legal agreement to cover this. I think, for now, just hold on to the PM. As I understand it (as a non-lawyer), the only person who could bring legal action against the wiki for this type of activity would be oldbogie, and if he's granted permission, I doubt he would renege.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:55, 10 April 2012 (MDT)
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| − | ==New beginnings==
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| − | Jon, congraulations on the recent developments. Are you going to remain active here at the wiki?
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| − | I'd like to volunteer to become an admin here. I'm not sure if I need to contect Helena about this or if I go through you, but in any event I wanted you to hear it from me first. I hope you're receptive to the idea. Thanks, [[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 09:52, 10 April 2012 (MDT)
| + | ==Question== |
| − | :Request granted. Yes, I plan on remaining active here at the wiki.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:52, 10 April 2012 (MDT)
| + | Jon- pls. take a look at the discussion between myself and user 'Centerline' under [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/User_talk:Cobalt327#Article_credits '''Article credits'''] on my user discussion page. Do you have a comment or direction as to how to better handle this? Was considering removing the article or directing Centerline to remove it but stopped short of doing that until I contacted you. Thanks.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 17:46, 23 February 2016 (MST) |
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