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Want to leave me a message? Just click edit, and type it in below. At the end of your message, please include the following text as your "signature": <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically get converted to your signature, including your name and the date. That's two dashes, followed by four [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde#Tilde_with_keyboards tilde characters]. Thanks! --[[User:Jon|Jon]] 17:33, 10 July 2009 (MDT)
 
Want to leave me a message? Just click edit, and type it in below. At the end of your message, please include the following text as your "signature": <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically get converted to your signature, including your name and the date. That's two dashes, followed by four [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde#Tilde_with_keyboards tilde characters]. Thanks! --[[User:Jon|Jon]] 17:33, 10 July 2009 (MDT)
  
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==Cobalt327 Discussion==
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==Recent "new" page==
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Jon, how much open discussion do you want to have here on the record?
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A page [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=Spark_advance&rcid=27905 Spark advance] was recently added. This is a cut and paste of a widely circulated 'article' that is all over the 'net. As it stands now this page does not have a category specified, so is in limbo. Any suggestions as to what to do w/it?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 18:25, 22 June 2012 (MDT)
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:I'm leaving it w/o a category. This can be changed if anyone wants.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 05:49, 25 June 2012 (MDT)
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::My view is that we should delete these. We don't allow copypasta, unless we can prove that its copyright status is such that we can reproduce it here, or unless the copied text is so small ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis de minimis]) that it doesn't matter.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:10, 25 June 2012 (MDT)
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:::I'll go ahead and delete it.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 13:25, 25 June 2012 (MDT)
  
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I feel Cobalt327 is trying exert authority he does not have and never will. My bad
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==Blocking of IPs==
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You may have noticed a large number of recently blocked IPs. I'm sure you are aware that if the Recent changes are viewed using the ''enhanced recent changes'' (in 'my preferences'/''Recent changes''), the list of blocked IPs is compacted into an expandable tab so it doesn't take up a large amount of space. These IPs were found on various article's discussion pages (mainly, some have also been found in the history of the actual article page). The IPs belonged to spammers that had their content removed, but the IPs were not blocked by a previous admin. In some cases this resulted in numerous reposted spam. Because these occurred some time ago, this may be closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, but my thoughts were if I'm there anyway I would block them. Is this unnecessary?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 22:49, 30 June 2012 (MDT)
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:I wasn't even aware of that option! Maybe it was added with the software upgrade. Agreed on blocking those IPs.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 23:57, 30 June 2012 (MDT)
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::Kinda off topic, but I remember asking some time ago about having an expanded view of the Recent changes; I couldn't get the page to respond to changing the options at the top of the page. I found that by going to 'my preferences'/''Watchlist'' I could select 7 days/1000 changes.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 18:58, 1 July 2012 (MDT)
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:::Interesting, thanks. I need to review all of the preferences.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 12:40, 2 July 2012 (MDT)
  
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=='Purpose-built fixture for engine stand'==
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The text and related images have been deleted and Neighbor's user accounts blocked at the request of Neighbors. The text and images were originally located on the [[Transmission holding fixtures]] page and had been removed from there and placed on the discussion page of that article until clarification was presented.
  
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===Cobalt327 the HR.com offender?===
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Discussions preceding these actions are [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Talk:Transmission_holding_fixtures '''here'''].--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 05:15, 5 September 2012 (MDT)
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Cobalt treated me so poorly on HR.com and called me the "worse" moderator he had ever seen on any forum. That is part of where my distrust for him comes from.
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Cobalt should have been suspended multiple times for his method of treating members on HR.com, he was not. Cobalt would edit out his inflammatory posts. The 'edit' time limit was shortened by Jon. Who complained the loudest?  Cobalt327.
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:That's fine. IANAL, but Neighbors's portrayal of copyright law may be incomplete. The wiki is clear, via the text beneath the posting box: ''"If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here.You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!"''. AFAIK, copyright law has limited recognition of "gimme-backsies". Once you release something into the public domain, or the Creative Commons license that we use, (as long as you are legally entitled to license it accordingly in the first place!), it's very difficult to retract (though not technically impossible, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_v._Holder Golan v. Holder]). Not really an issue in this case, but, in the future, if you come across a user who is demanding a ''significant'' deletion, you likely don't need to comply, especially as their contributions may be intermingled with the contributions of other editors, and too difficult to disentangle. In some situations, you may encounter users who, simply out of spite, demand that all of their contributions be deleted. Per their use of the wiki, they will most likely have previously abandoned the right to make that demand.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 21:59, 17 September 2012 (MDT)
  
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Why was Cobalt not suspended?  The answer given by many involved in the discussion; Because Cobalt327 contributes enough good tech info from internet search engines. . Another answer provided was; coblat327 provides a 'useful service'
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::Thanks for the clarification, Jon. I felt in this particular case that the content that was requested to be removed could be deleted w/o causing any problems w/the continuity of the article as a whole, since it had already been removed from the article itself. That's mainly why I made the decision to delete as requested. For the record, rest assured had this issue been any more involved I would have asked for your advice and guidance in handling it.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 07:38, 18 September 2012 (MDT)
  
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===Cobalt comes to Crankshaft Wiki===
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==Wiki bugs==
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Helena has called for any bugs on the Hotrodders forum to be posted so they can be addressed, and so far I have avoided asking much about the CC wiki's problems/fixes. I was wondering at what point should I ask about the wiki, or are you (hopefully) handling this personally?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 07:38, 18 September 2012 (MDT)
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:Helena has been provided with a list of the Hotrodders.com bugs, and a link to the list of wiki bugs. I think we should get the HR bugs handled first, and then try to prioritize the wiki bugs.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 20:04, 18 September 2012 (MDT)
  
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After what seemed to be paranoid thoughts , impressions or something on the Crankshaft Wiki (here in referred to as the Wiki)... Cobalt327 joins and proceeds forward. Soon he provides his extensive internet search engine knowledge to the Wiki
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::Agreed.  
  
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===Soon Cobalt and Crosley butt heads===
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:::Spam filter is giving me a rash, again. Moved text to [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Wiki_updates#Spam_filter_bug Wiki updates].--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 21:29, 25 January 2013 (MST)
  
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Primarily on the T-350 Rebuild Tech article.  Cobalt altered the T-350 Rebuild thread name. This cancels links Crosley has in place on sites. Cobalt adds incorrect information or fotos. Crosley corrects. Cobalts corrects Crosley edits, Crosley not happy. Cobalt adds non rebuild tech stuff.  Crosley removes it. Cobalt 327 not(unknown) happy?  Crosley does not care. Cobalt327 may not care either.  
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==Email notifications of changes==
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If you have chosen to receive them, are you getting email notification when a page on your watchlist or your user talk page is changed? I have selected these options on my [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Special:Preferences Preferences] page but I'm not getting any emails. So I'm wondering if this is something on my end, or what.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 09:21, 19 September 2012 (MDT)
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:Same problem here. I've added this to [[Wiki updates]].--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 13:01, 19 September 2012 (MDT)
  
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===Cobalt327 adds signature for Crosley===
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==Recent influx of new "members"==
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On the the talk page : [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Talk:T-350_rebuild_tech T-350 Rebuild Talk]  Cobalt has now added my signature to a location I did not add. '''I concider that a gross personal violation.'''
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Since 11-17-12 there has been a relatively large number of new user accounts created. Googling the various screen names shows many to be randomly joining many different forums. Maybe spambots? If so maybe a character recognition prompt at sign up would help. But in any event, just wanted to let you know that this was happening for whatever reason.
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:Thanks, I'll look into this. Agreed, probably spambots.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 18:22, 29 November 2012 (MST)
  
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===Cobalt group hug===
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==Disgruntled street beast owner==
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Also on the same [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Talk:T-350_rebuild_tech T-350 Rebuild Talk] page Cobalt posts; '''"There is no need for continued animosity. I again will say that I'm willing to put the past behind us in an effort to maintain a decent working relationship. That's all I can do, the rest is up to you"'''  Crosley's  answer is : '''Well, of course the worse offender always wants to "put things behind us"'''  ;-)
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Jon, I'll let you deal w/this however you see fit: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:41willys&rcid=32499--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 20:50, 25 January 2013 (MST)
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:Saw that. Didn't want to even touch it.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 18:39, 26 January 2013 (MST)
  
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===Cobalt points out more mistakes Crosley made===
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==Seemingly unable to block user==
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Also in the T-350 Talk page: Cobalt posts and links to the "Help " pages on editing Talk discussion. Crosley found this:
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The user [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Showbizg&action=edit&redlink=1 here] has been blocked by both user name AND various addresses but continues to come back seemingly at will to spam. What can be done that I'm not doing to get rid of this user?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 14:32, 16 February 2013 (MST)
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:Very strange. I'll look into this. --[[User:Jon|Jon]] 17:04, 16 February 2013 (MST)
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::I think I'm seeing what's happening. It looks like Showbizg was effectively blocked. But other spammers are coming back solely to edit Showbizg's user page. Is that correct? If so, one option might be to just blank that user page, and then protect it.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 02:30, 17 February 2013 (MST)
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:::Thanks, I'll give it a try.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 11:00, 17 February 2013 (MST)
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::::Just had another revision (or whatever) of this user page. The protection log is: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Showbizg&action=protect
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::::I have again protected the page (second time). Other details can be seen on the Recent changes page.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 11:11, 1 March 2013 (MST)
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:::::Third time. It seems protecting the page (at least how I'm doing it) has no effect.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 15:28, 5 March 2013 (MST)
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::::::OK, thanks, I just re-created the page, and re-protected it. Let's see if that does it.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 18:01, 5 March 2013 (MST)
  
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'''Delete discussions when they are out-of-date;Discussions can often get left lying around on a talk page long after the issue is no longer relevant. It's usually a good idea to reply to saying "I think this is now resolved", but sooner or later it's time to just blow away the old discussions (they are of course preserved in the editing history).'''
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==Edits loading quicker==
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Seems we're back to the way it was before edits became so painfully slow to load. I've made note of this on the '''[[Wiki updates]]''' page.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 06:40, 8 April 2013 (MDT)
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:OK, thanks, I'll look into this.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 12:59, 8 April 2013 (MDT)
  
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Crosley edited out old discussion. Crosley was trying to move on. The article by Jake is so diluted in the current article. Jakes article was a performance build and incomplete. I modified the article to a generic T-350 rebuild. Crosley thought that was the point of a Wiki. A constant update - improvement of the article.
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==Huge increase in new user spam==
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I was concerned this might happen. Fortunately they seem to have one common IP address...--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 19:43, 19 April 2013 (MDT)
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:Spam continuing. Not from just one or two IPs anymore, they're now coming from many IPs. Blocking the user names and all the IPs is becoming a bit of a problem.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 16:56, 28 April 2013 (MDT).
  
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Crosley added comments on the "talk page" of the T-350 article about Jakes OE article as inspiration for the current Wiki article as suggested by Jon...  Cobalt altered the talk page again, the method of the Wiki. LOL
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==Spam==
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On a daily basis I have been removing a large amount of spam and blocking the users. I took a short break (approximately 60 hours) from deleting the spam here at the CC wiki, when I came back there were over 200 deletions and an additional 180 users to be blocked that needed to be done. This took several hours. Since I am not in a position to implement any procedures to prevent spam from entering the wiki, I am requesting that something more be done to prevent it as my time is better spent on other pursuits (both here and elsewhere).--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 20:36, 22 November 2013 (MST)
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:Thanks Cobalt327; I'm going to bring this issue up with Helena, and hopefully we can get some new anti-spam features installed.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:08, 23 November 2013 (MST)
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::Even a way to expedite the blocking of users where more than one at a time could be processed would be a big help. Same for deleting pages, although either or both may be impractical if not impossible to do from a programming/software standpoint. Had nearly '''[http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:Wiki_12-02-13_deletions_and_blocked_users.jpg 500 deletions and 350 blocked users]''' to process on 12-02-13 after returning from a short break from the wiki- and there's still nearly 14 hours left in the day (EST here).--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 08:34, 2 December 2013 (MST)
  
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===Why keep old fotos when article is updated?===
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==Question==
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Jon- pls. take a look at the discussion between myself and user 'Centerline' under [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/User_talk:Cobalt327#Article_credits '''Article credits'''] on my user discussion page. Do you have a comment or direction as to how to better handle this? Was considering removing the article or directing Centerline to remove it but stopped short of doing that until I contacted you. Thanks.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 17:46, 23 February 2016 (MST)
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I deleted old photos.  Why maintain the old photos on server space that someone has to pay $ for ?  When does "long enough" apply to maintaining old information?
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===Cobalt327 reloads fotos===
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I knew cobalt would reload the old fotos. I enjoy providing him the avenue for tasks, I guess. My bad... does that comment 'my bad' ,  make it all OK?  ;-)
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===Dont delete Cobalt's fotos===
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Coblat327 asks me to not delete any photos he uploaded. I have not to my knowledge.  Even the incorrect photos Cobalt placed in the T-350 Rebuild Tech article with powerglide parts shown. I did not delete that foto  as I recall. Cobalt327 does not even know what he posts on some articles. 
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===Cobalt and terminology===
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Bell Housing or bellhousing?  Rear end or rearend?  TH350 or THM 350 or T-350?  A fellow I know still calls a T-400 an '''AT-400'''.  A term long lost on most folks.
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===Cobalt repackages internet search info===
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Cobalt327 gathers internet info, repackages it, he becomes a hero. In my eyes cobalt327 is a zero, not to be trusted.
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===Cobalt327 is NOT a dumb ass===
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With people like Cobalt327 editing Wiki articles, that explains why so many folks do not trust Wiki information. When Crosley jumped on the internet in late 1996 (what little existed) ...  Crosley had the foolish idea I could stop or slow down the incorrect information on the web on the subject of automatic transmissions.  With people like Cobalt327 that regurgitate any information on all subjects, the cycle will continue forever.  Dont mistake my words here for a blanket statement that  Cobalt327 is a complete dumb ass, I am sure he is not an unmitigated dumb ass.
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=== OH My Gosh  ===
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OH, let me apologize to Cobalt327 (LOL) since I am sure I did not type his full user name correctly each time, I did not space correctly, I did not capitalize correctly, I did not link each spot  correctly, I did not punctuate correctly, I did not catch all mis-speeled words, I did not 'do things' as others do on other Wiki sites, did I mention extra spaces?,  and his OCD will point that out in a longer response with more '''bold text''' than I used since he has to do more at anything than others have before him.
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I figure I forgot a few items, Cobalt327 will correct me. I apologize again if I forgot something. If I do not remember forgetting, does it still count as forgetful?
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===I add signature before Cobalt does it for me===
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oh hell,  I will sign this message before cobalt327 signs it for me. [[User:Crosley|Crosley]] 22:02, 2 April 2012 (MDT) 
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I added some extra spaces to
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::To clarify, yes, I want this discussed in the open, as well as any future conflicts between yourselves or among any other wiki editors. I don't yet have a specific resolution to the above conflict, but I will consider how to move forward.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 12:27, 5 April 2012 (MDT)
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:::Both of you guys have admin status, and should now be able to use the wiki structure to resolve most if not all conflicts.
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:::If Cobalt327 (or anyone else) places incorrect information in an article, it should be corrected or deleted; that process is what wiki is all about. If there's a conflict about whether information is correct or not, it should be addressed in the Talk page for that article. If it absolutely can't be resolved, then a note can be placed in an article (ie: "The information in this section is disputed…". Repeated debate and correction of information is what moves articles forward over time, even if that process results in the occasional deadlock.
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:::I'm open to continued discussion on this topic, and have left the above section intact while cleaning up all other parts of my Talk page. If anyone has anything further to add, please do so. If not, I'll finish cleaning up my Talk page by deleting the above.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:21, 25 June 2012 (MDT)
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::::I have nothing to add.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 13:25, 25 June 2012 (MDT)
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==Embedding video from YouTube==
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How is this done?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 06:45, 20 June 2012 (MDT)
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:It's broken. Looks like the functionality broke after the server move. We might need to install a new video embedding extension. I made a note of this in [[Wiki updates]].--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:40, 20 June 2012 (MDT)
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==Recent "new" page==
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A page [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/index.php?title=Spark_advance&rcid=27905 Spark advance] was recently added. This is a cut and paste of a widely circulated 'article' that is all over the 'net. As it stands now this page does not have a category specified, so is in limbo. Any suggestions as to what to do w/it?--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 18:25, 22 June 2012 (MDT)
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:I'm leaving it w/o a category. This can be changed if anyone wants.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 05:49, 25 June 2012 (MDT)
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::My view is that we should delete these. We don't allow copypasta, unless we can prove that its copyright status is such that we can reproduce it here, or unless the copied text is so small ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis de minimis]) that it doesn't matter.--[[User:Jon|Jon]] 11:10, 25 June 2012 (MDT)
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:::I'll go ahead and delete it.--[[User:Cobalt327|Cobalt327]] 13:25, 25 June 2012 (MDT)
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