Pontiac V8 engine
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<td style="width: 81px">'''1969'''</td> | <td style="width: 81px">'''1969'''</td> | ||
<td style="width: 48px">303'''**'''</td> | <td style="width: 48px">303'''**'''</td> | ||
| − | <td style="width: 54px">4. | + | <td style="width: 54px">4.120</td> |
<td style="width: 60px">2.84</td> | <td style="width: 60px">2.84</td> | ||
| − | <td style="width: 49px"> | + | <td style="width: 49px">2.50</td> |
<td style="width: 53px">2.25</td></tr> | <td style="width: 53px">2.25</td></tr> | ||
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<td style="width: 60px">3.00</td> | <td style="width: 60px">3.00</td> | ||
<td style="width: 49px">3.00</td> | <td style="width: 49px">3.00</td> | ||
| − | <td style="width: 53px">2. | + | <td style="width: 53px">2.00</td></tr> |
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<td style="width: 81px">'''1980-'81'''</td> | <td style="width: 81px">'''1980-'81'''</td> | ||
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<td style="width: 60px">3.00</td> | <td style="width: 60px">3.00</td> | ||
<td style="width: 49px">3.00</td> | <td style="width: 49px">3.00</td> | ||
| − | <td style="width: 53px">2. | + | <td style="width: 53px">2.00</td></tr> |
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'''NOTES:'''<br> | '''NOTES:'''<br> | ||
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'''***'''The 350 engine actually displaced 354 ci. | '''***'''The 350 engine actually displaced 354 ci. | ||
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==Pontiac engines by displacement== | ==Pontiac engines by displacement== | ||
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<td style="width: 60px">3.00</td> | <td style="width: 60px">3.00</td> | ||
<td style="width: 46px">3.00</td> | <td style="width: 46px">3.00</td> | ||
| − | <td style="width: 26px">2. | + | <td style="width: 26px">2.00</td></tr> |
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<td style="width: 38px">'''287'''</td> | <td style="width: 38px">'''287'''</td> | ||
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<td style="width: 60px">3.00</td> | <td style="width: 60px">3.00</td> | ||
<td style="width: 46px">3.00</td> | <td style="width: 46px">3.00</td> | ||
| − | <td style="width: 26px">2. | + | <td style="width: 26px">2.00</td></tr> |
<tr bgcolor="#F1F1F1"> | <tr bgcolor="#F1F1F1"> | ||
<td style="width: 38px">'''303**'''</td> | <td style="width: 38px">'''303**'''</td> | ||
<td style="width: 62px">1969</td> | <td style="width: 62px">1969</td> | ||
| − | <td>4. | + | <td>4.120</td> |
<td style="width: 60px">2.84</td> | <td style="width: 60px">2.84</td> | ||
| − | <td style="width: 46px"> | + | <td style="width: 46px">2.50</td> |
<td style="width: 26px">2.25</td></tr> | <td style="width: 26px">2.25</td></tr> | ||
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<td >3.00</td> | <td >3.00</td> | ||
<td >3.00</td> | <td >3.00</td> | ||
| − | <td >2. | + | <td >2.00</td></tr> |
<tr bgcolor="#F1F1F1" align="center" valign="bottom"> | <tr bgcolor="#F1F1F1" align="center" valign="bottom"> | ||
<td>'''287'''</td> | <td>'''287'''</td> | ||
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<td >3.00</td> | <td >3.00</td> | ||
<td >3.00</td> | <td >3.00</td> | ||
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<tr bgcolor="#F1F1F1" align="center" valign="bottom"> | <tr bgcolor="#F1F1F1" align="center" valign="bottom"> | ||
<td>'''303**'''</td> | <td>'''303**'''</td> | ||
| − | <td >4. | + | <td >4.120</td> |
<td >2.840</td> | <td >2.840</td> | ||
| − | <td > | + | <td >2.50</td> |
<td >2.25</td></tr> | <td >2.25</td></tr> | ||
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| − | <th rowspan="6 | + | <th rowspan="6" >1975-'76</th> |
<td align="center"> 4</td><td align="center">6X</td><td align="center">93.74</td><td align="center">2.11/1.66</td><td align="center">4.86</td><td align="center">350</td> | <td align="center"> 4</td><td align="center">6X</td><td align="center">93.74</td><td align="center">2.11/1.66</td><td align="center">4.86</td><td align="center">350</td> | ||
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| − | <th rowspan="2 | + | <th rowspan="2">1977</th> |
<td align="center"> 4</td><td align="center">6X</td><td align="center">93.74</td><td align="center">2.11/1.66</td><td align="center">4.86</td><td align="center">350 / 400 W72</td> | <td align="center"> 4</td><td align="center">6X</td><td align="center">93.74</td><td align="center">2.11/1.66</td><td align="center">4.86</td><td align="center">350 / 400 W72</td> | ||
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<td align="center"> 8</td><td align="center">6X</td><td align="center">100.04</td><td align="center">2.11/1.66</td><td align="center">4.86</td><td align="center">400</td> | <td align="center"> 8</td><td align="center">6X</td><td align="center">100.04</td><td align="center">2.11/1.66</td><td align="center">4.86</td><td align="center">400</td> | ||
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| − | <th rowspan="2 | + | <th rowspan="2">1978-'79</th><tr bgcolor="#F1F1F1"> |
<td align="center"> 4</td><td align="center">6X</td><td align="center">93.74</td><td align="center">2.11/1.66</td><td align="center">4.86</td><td align="center">400 W72</td> | <td align="center"> 4</td><td align="center">6X</td><td align="center">93.74</td><td align="center">2.11/1.66</td><td align="center">4.86</td><td align="center">400 W72</td> | ||
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A dual pattern cam like Comp Cams' XE series or a Lunati Voodoo would be good cams to look into. For info on Comp Cams XE series of cams you can contact Butler Performance for good solid info. For info on Crower cams contact Kauffman Racing Engines or Spotts Performance. These shops can be contacted via phone or email. | A dual pattern cam like Comp Cams' XE series or a Lunati Voodoo would be good cams to look into. For info on Comp Cams XE series of cams you can contact Butler Performance for good solid info. For info on Crower cams contact Kauffman Racing Engines or Spotts Performance. These shops can be contacted via phone or email. | ||
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| + | List of camshafts: http://www.pontiacpower.org/PontiacCams.htm | ||
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;[[Pontiac V8 engine #Parts interchangeability|Return to Parts interchangeability]] | ;[[Pontiac V8 engine #Parts interchangeability|Return to Parts interchangeability]] | ||
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Generally, using flat top pistons are the best way to go. There may be cases where a dished piston is needed, but the cost is generally higher than cast flat tops. | Generally, using flat top pistons are the best way to go. There may be cases where a dished piston is needed, but the cost is generally higher than cast flat tops. | ||
| − | + | In 1967 the 400 4bbl engines went to new valve angle and placement and all Pontiac V-8's 1968 and newer. Newer valves don't line up correctly with the 67 2bbl, any 326 or all 1966-back piston valve reliefs (and obviously vice-versa), the correct piston has to be used if any sort of aftermarket high lift cam is used, or else there may be destructive valve to piston interference. There are 8-valve relief pistons available to fit all the valve angle differences used through the years on Pontiac 400 engines. While these pistons will get the job done, from a high performance standpoint they are not desirable partially due to the lower compression. | |
Pontiac went to an advertised 7.6:1 compression in about 1975, due in part to the design of the top of the pistons. Pontiac pistons from the low compression years have a 45 degree machined outer edge of the piston top. | Pontiac went to an advertised 7.6:1 compression in about 1975, due in part to the design of the top of the pistons. Pontiac pistons from the low compression years have a 45 degree machined outer edge of the piston top. | ||
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{{Note1}} Pre-'64 cranks are not machined for TH-type torque converter hubs. They can be machined to fit, though. | {{Note1}} Pre-'64 cranks are not machined for TH-type torque converter hubs. They can be machined to fit, though. | ||
| + | {{Note2}} 1963 389 crank pilot will not interchange with any other year. It is a smaller size than the rest of the 59-64 389 engines. | ||
;[[Pontiac V8 engine #Parts interchangeability|Return to Parts interchangeability]] | ;[[Pontiac V8 engine #Parts interchangeability|Return to Parts interchangeability]] | ||
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The outside of the crank opening is staked with a chisel in at least two places to hold the bearing in place because the pilot bearing is a slip fit into crank recess. | The outside of the crank opening is staked with a chisel in at least two places to hold the bearing in place because the pilot bearing is a slip fit into crank recess. | ||
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==Ignition== | ==Ignition== | ||
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The same timing chain cover was used for both '64 and '65 and had just a simple pointer. These were cast with number '''9773371'''. The timing cover used on '66 and '67 employed a small timing scale marked -4-0-+6 and is otherwise identified as casting #'''9783130'''. The '68, '69 and '70 timing covers look very similar with timing marks of 0-6-12 degrees BTDC and accommodated the large diameter damper. The '68 timing cover casting number is '''9790347''' and uses the 8-bolt water pump. The '69-'70 timing cover casting number is '''9796346''' and uses the improved 11-bolt pump. For '71-up the timing cover timing tab is marked from 4 degrees ATDC to 12 degrees BTDC and is graduated all the way to 16 degrees BTDC. As compression ratios were lowered to 8:1 and less there became a need for increased initial advance. Casting number for this cover is '''482883'''. If you need to order a water pump the Federal Mogul part numbers are: '64-'68 is FP1388N, early '69 is FP1409N and late '69-on is FP1423. | The same timing chain cover was used for both '64 and '65 and had just a simple pointer. These were cast with number '''9773371'''. The timing cover used on '66 and '67 employed a small timing scale marked -4-0-+6 and is otherwise identified as casting #'''9783130'''. The '68, '69 and '70 timing covers look very similar with timing marks of 0-6-12 degrees BTDC and accommodated the large diameter damper. The '68 timing cover casting number is '''9790347''' and uses the 8-bolt water pump. The '69-'70 timing cover casting number is '''9796346''' and uses the improved 11-bolt pump. For '71-up the timing cover timing tab is marked from 4 degrees ATDC to 12 degrees BTDC and is graduated all the way to 16 degrees BTDC. As compression ratios were lowered to 8:1 and less there became a need for increased initial advance. Casting number for this cover is '''482883'''. If you need to order a water pump the Federal Mogul part numbers are: '64-'68 is FP1388N, early '69 is FP1409N and late '69-on is FP1423. | ||
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| + | Pontiac Timing Cover Indentification (and Parts) from Butler Performance: | ||
| + | http://butlerperformance.com/n-13416-pontiac-timing-cover-identification.html | ||
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;[[Pontiac V8 engine #Parts interchangeability|Return to Parts interchangeability]] | ;[[Pontiac V8 engine #Parts interchangeability|Return to Parts interchangeability]] | ||
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===Water pump=== | ===Water pump=== | ||
There were two basic water pump designs used between 1964 and the end of production: an 8-bolt (up to '68-early '69) and an 11-bolt pump used after the 8-bolt pump. | There were two basic water pump designs used between 1964 and the end of production: an 8-bolt (up to '68-early '69) and an 11-bolt pump used after the 8-bolt pump. | ||
| + | 1969-1976 with Timing Pointer, 1977-up without Timing Pointer. | ||
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| + | 1955-1963: 4-bolt water pump | ||
If the engine seems to be overheating, first be sure the temp gauge is reading correctly. Use a temporary mechanical gauge to check it. Then check the ignition timing to be sure it's not retarded. | If the engine seems to be overheating, first be sure the temp gauge is reading correctly. Use a temporary mechanical gauge to check it. Then check the ignition timing to be sure it's not retarded. | ||
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[[File:Pont tubes.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Red arrow indicates rubber grommet inserted into sleeves used on 11-bolt water pump assembly]] <br style="clear:both"/> | [[File:Pont tubes.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Red arrow indicates rubber grommet inserted into sleeves used on 11-bolt water pump assembly]] <br style="clear:both"/> | ||
| − | ==Parts interchangeability== | + | ==Oil filter mount== |
| + | In some cases the oil pressure gauge sender will hit the top of the filter. In that case, use an angled fitting as shown below. The threads are 1/4-18 NPT. | ||
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| + | [[File:Pont oil housng11.jpg]] | ||
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| + | ==Parts interchangeability== | ||
Based on info from teufert.net and Ken's Speed & Machine. | Based on info from teufert.net and Ken's Speed & Machine. | ||
<table border="2" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> | <table border="2" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> | ||
<tr valign="center" align="middle"><td bgcolor="#DDDFFF"><font size="4"> <strong>PART:</strong></font></td> | <tr valign="center" align="middle"><td bgcolor="#DDDFFF"><font size="4"> <strong>PART:</strong></font></td> | ||
| − | <td bgcolor="#DDDFFF"><font size="4"><strong>INTERCHANGE YEARS:</strong> </font></td></tr> | + | <td bgcolor="#DDDFFF"><font size="4"><strong>INTERCHANGE YEARS/NOTES:</strong> </font></td></tr> |
<tr valign="center" align="middle"><td ><strong>Block:</strong></td> | <tr valign="center" align="middle"><td ><strong>Block:</strong></td> | ||
<td >1955,1956,1957,1959-'60,1961-'64 (full size V8), 1964-'69 (Tempest/Grand Prix V8), 1970-'79<br> '''Note:''' No block mount starter holes on pre-1964 blocks</td></tr> | <td >1955,1956,1957,1959-'60,1961-'64 (full size V8), 1964-'69 (Tempest/Grand Prix V8), 1970-'79<br> '''Note:''' No block mount starter holes on pre-1964 blocks</td></tr> | ||
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<tr valign="center" align="middle"><td ><strong>Harmonic balancer:</strong></td> | <tr valign="center" align="middle"><td ><strong>Harmonic balancer:</strong></td> | ||
<td >1955-'62, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968-'79<br> '''Note:''' Some 1977-up 400 and 301 use a crankshaft hub without a rubber torsional ring</td></tr> | <td >1955-'62, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968-'79<br> '''Note:''' Some 1977-up 400 and 301 use a crankshaft hub without a rubber torsional ring</td></tr> | ||
| − | <tr bgcolor="#F1F1F1" valign="center" align="middle"><td ><strong>Flywheel:</strong></td> | + | <tr bgcolor="#F1F1F1" valign="center" align="middle"><td ><strong>Flywheel/<br>Flexplate:</strong></td> |
| − | <td >1955-'57, 1958-'60, 1961-'62, 1963, 1964-'79<br>'''Note:''' There are two different diameter flanges used on the 400 crank after 1975: 2-1/2" and 2-3/4".<br> All 350/389/400/428 and 455 with same flange will interchange.<br> Also watch the pilot ID on early pre-1964 389 Armasteel cranks when using an automatic</td></tr> | + | <td >1955-'57, 1958-'60, 1961-'62, 1963, 1964-'79<br>'''Note:''' There are two different diameter flanges used on the 400 crank after 1975: 2-1/2" and 2-3/4".<br> All 350/389/400/428 and 455 with same flange will interchange.<br> Also watch the pilot ID on early pre-1964 389 Armasteel cranks when using an automatic<br>{{!}}More at '''[[Pontiac V8 engine#Modern GM transmission behind early Pontiac engine|Modern GM transmission behind early Pontiac engine]]'''</td></tr> |
<tr valign="center" align="middle"><td ><strong>Connecting rods:</strong></td> | <tr valign="center" align="middle"><td ><strong>Connecting rods:</strong></td> | ||
<td >1955-'79<br> '''Note:''' Before 1962 forged rods were installed, but weaker then the later cast rod unless heat treated and prepped. Swapping to the earlier lighter forged rod requires re-balancing<br>{{!}}More at '''[[Pontiac V8 engine#Rods|Rods]]'''</td></tr> | <td >1955-'79<br> '''Note:''' Before 1962 forged rods were installed, but weaker then the later cast rod unless heat treated and prepped. Swapping to the earlier lighter forged rod requires re-balancing<br>{{!}}More at '''[[Pontiac V8 engine#Rods|Rods]]'''</td></tr> | ||
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<td >1955-'59, 1960, 1961-'62 (inc. Tempest "Trophy" 4), 1963, 1963 1/2-'65, 1966-'67, 1968, 1969-'79<br>The only difference in the 1968-up timing covers are the timing indicator markings.<br> Some late model 400 and 301 covers have a plastic bolt-on tab.<br>{{!}}More at '''[[Pontiac V8 engine #Timing covers|Timing covers]]'''</td></tr> | <td >1955-'59, 1960, 1961-'62 (inc. Tempest "Trophy" 4), 1963, 1963 1/2-'65, 1966-'67, 1968, 1969-'79<br>The only difference in the 1968-up timing covers are the timing indicator markings.<br> Some late model 400 and 301 covers have a plastic bolt-on tab.<br>{{!}}More at '''[[Pontiac V8 engine #Timing covers|Timing covers]]'''</td></tr> | ||
</table><br> | </table><br> | ||
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| + | ===Modern GM transmission behind early Pontiac engine=== | ||
| + | Due to the differences in the early crank flange and the lack of a drilled block mounted starter mount on the block, a TH 350/400, etc. tranny won't work behind an early (pre ~1964) engine. [http://www.wilcap.com/pontiac.html#287350 Wilcap] and [http://www.transmissionadapters.com/early_pontiac.htm Bendtsen's] sell kits that allows the later trannies to bolt up behind these early engines. | ||
==Original build information== | ==Original build information== | ||
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*[http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/techarticles/index.html Various tech articles], from High Performance Pontiac | *[http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/techarticles/index.html Various tech articles], from High Performance Pontiac | ||
*[http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316668 Pontiac Hemi] HAMB thread | *[http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316668 Pontiac Hemi] HAMB thread | ||
| + | *Passenger-Side-Only Lifter Clatter (HotRod Magazine): http://butlerperformance.com/files/images/oil-galley-plug.jpg | ||
[[File:7K3 Pont HEADS DRILLED FOR HEADERS 2.jpg|thumb|300px|left|7K3 heads drilled for headers. [http://www.spottsperformance.com/ Spots Performance] also sells "L" brackets for heads like these that don't have the pad.]] | [[File:7K3 Pont HEADS DRILLED FOR HEADERS 2.jpg|thumb|300px|left|7K3 heads drilled for headers. [http://www.spottsperformance.com/ Spots Performance] also sells "L" brackets for heads like these that don't have the pad.]] | ||
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*[[Pontiac info and sites]] | *[[Pontiac info and sites]] | ||
*[http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/611.cfm 1946-'55 Pontiac engine specs] from secondchancegarage.com | *[http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/611.cfm 1946-'55 Pontiac engine specs] from secondchancegarage.com | ||
| − | + | *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_V8_engine Pontiac V8 engine] Wikipedia page | |
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